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Skinny_Maradona

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I would like to cast the first vote in favor of you taking a month off. When I first found this forum it was very refreshing to find one where the vast majority of the posts were actually about coaching. Now I question if it is worth the effort of wading through the crap to get to the good stuff.

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Go away and please do not come back.
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Originally Posted by TomK

CB, BobC, and others,

 

So what is the solution, if there is one? 

I've actually stated this a few times...

 

I post here either to learn from other posters, to help other posters learn from my experience, or for entertainment.  I think every poster needs to recognize the difference.

 

Applying this to Russ, you should ask yourself...

 

Am I learning something from Russ?  If not, don't read his stuff.

 

Am I teaching something to Russ?  Russ is not capable of learning, so don't waste your time.

 

Am I posting with Russ to be entertained?  I have done this in the past with posters like Mick10 (anybody been around long enough to remember those great battles), but the difference is that Mick didn't have this martyr complex.  Russ is going to go down with the ship no matter what.  It's not entertaining to me anymore...  And, honestly, I don't think it's a good thing to continue no matter how much Russ prompts the replies.

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Then, either I'll realize "I'm better off now, no way I'm going back there", or I'll come back after cooler heads prevail and give it another try.

Now finally the truth comes out... perhaps before you leave you can explain to everyone here what it is exactly you are trying to do? 

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Maybe Greg could rename the website to russ-again because every thread  seems to be taken over by Russ, again

 

Tom, I know you meant well but all you are doing is feeding his habit.  I for one cannot take anything he posts seriously anymore and I think he is pathetic.  All you guys are doing is encouraging him, look at his latest post about hypothetical coaches A, B anc C, anything to keep the attention going and the focus on Russ, he lives in a hypothetical world.  The big problem is that many decent posts are getting pushed aside by his desire to keep his own posts at the top of the list, yes I did bring one to top for a laugh however I've seen the error of my ways and I have punished myself by forcing myself to read one of his posts from start to finish. 

 

He is a master at taking a simple statement made by others and turning it around to suit his own pathetic argument and composing a nonsensical reply that runs to several chapters, as I said pathetic. 

 

I stated in a fairly recent post that like everyone else he was free to post as he wished however I personally would not be sorry if he took the rest of his life off from this forum as I don't believe he has anything to contribute to it apart from the sense that comes from others pointing out the flaws in his arguments.

 

He is again asking for a vote, despite the fact the last vote was unanimous and we told him to get lost. 

 

I don't find it funny anymore, every thread he starts runs to several pages yet "." had more informative posts that all of his put together.

 

So Russ likes votes, ok here's my suggestion that anyone who wants to vote anti-russ should - not open or reply to anything he posts no matter how difficult it to ignore them, don't be tempted and he'll either go away and annoy others or he'll just post several replies to himself.  If you do feel the need to reply then make it a one word reply such as "garbage".

 

One "." post was funny but one started every other day is beyond a joke.

 

He has taken over the forum yet again and it's now time to turn this into a coaching forum once again.

 

I have put him on my ignore list although I have replied indirectly to others to have a dig at him so now from me there is no more russ, I for one will not encourage his self-obsession any more.

 

Oh and BTW, in case anyone thinks I'm typing this with blood pouring from my fingers and banging my head against the desk, I'm not - I'm perfectly calm and rational and everything posted has been though through - so no forum rage here.

 

Tom, chastise me if you wish however I won't be taking back a single word I've written in this post. 

 


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Nothing you wrote deserves chastising, IMO.  I agree with you about the method of the anti-Russ vote as well.

 

 

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BTW, if thoughtsoc goes then scotsoc goes with him.

 

 


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BTW, if thoughtsoc goes then scotsoc goes with him.

 

 

Mmmmmmmmmm 2 for the price of 1...I call that good shooting!

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BTW, if thoughtsoc goes then scotsoc goes with him.

 

 

Mmmmmmmmmm 2 for the price of 1...I call that good shooting!

 

Ah Kev, the downside is that WillieB will make a dramatic return

 

 

 


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Now finally the truth comes out... perhaps before you leave you can explain to everyone here what it is exactly you are trying to do?

 

When I say "give it another try" I mean attempt again to have intelligent, mutually respectful dialogue and/or debate.  Where people listen to each other, acknowledge each others' good points, acknowledge where they disagree, avoid pressuring each other to believe this or that, avoid trying to "win", and so on.

 

Skinny Madonna, sorry, but you didn't make the voting team.  CVAL, sorry, no subhuman species made the voting team either.  Think about it.  Scotsoc made the team. You didn't.

 

CB, did you cast a vote yet?  I'm not sure what to say about the martyr complex thing.  I'm not sure one can really be a martyr at a soccer forum.  There are just clashing opinions, insults, and so on.  No real stones to throw or stakes to burn at.  AFB, are you out there?  Scotsoc, I take that as a "get lost" vote.

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More useless rambling.  Sorry.

 

The truth is, my evaluation of the process of posting here tends to fluctuate a great deal.  Sometimes, it seems like a valuable, enjoyable process.  Other times, I form opinions of people here that shake my faith in mankind a bit.  And at still other times, like this one, it just seems like everything that could be said has already been said.  While there is freedom of speech here, there is also a particular community of people.  If the feedback from the majority of those people is, "You bring nothing of value to the process", or, "Reading your opinions makes me want to throw up" or whatever, why would I want to impose unpleasantness on people?  I don't take it personally, because I don't think any of you know me personally.  I regret even having to discuss the personal side of things, and I'm pretty sure I only did this in response to personal attacks.  My intention was never to defeat other people, or discredit other ways of doing things.  But just to put my opinions out there.  And when what I consider my best opinions and best contributions are met with the most scorn, it does make you wonder after a while if you're in a Twilight Zone episode or something.  It takes a while to regain your balance.  Sometimes, it seems that one of the groundrules of dialoguing with me is, "Never under any circumstances concede that a positive point has been made."  If that's true, then an end to the dialogue process is inevitable. 

 

It's true that the model I adhere to is a somewhat closed and complete model.  That wasn't always the case.  But in writing my book, the gaps in my model became obvious to me and I went through this rather arduous process of filling in the gaps.  For that reason, I for the most part don't come here to learn from other people.  There are many other areas of my life in which I'm open to learning right now.  I also hope to take the next NSCAA course once my knee can stand up to it, and I always learn things at those courses.

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As much as I would like to vote for him to disappear forever and beyond, I can't help but think our suffering is for a good cause - because every second he is posting his idiocy here is another second he is not inflicting damage to some poor client unfortunate enough to have been assigned to his caseload.  

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So, here's the committee I've formed of coaches who seem to be viewed as having enough experience to be in a position to evaluate what does and doesn't have value, and to be in a position to offer worthwhile advice to new coaches.  I've included TomK not because he advertises himself as being in that group but because his opinions seem reasonable overall and I trust his view of what is best for the forum.

 

1. Scotsoc (already has cast a "get lost" vote)

2. TomK

3. JimN

4. CoachKev

5. BobC

6. AFB

7. Coach Keith

8. CB

 

I've made a conscious choice to respect your authority, and would ask that you give me feedback about whether or not you think my contributions are harmful/detrimental/dangerous or whatever to the point where the forum would benefit by my departure (a "get lost" vote).  Or, whether my contributions provide some form of value to the overall process to the point where you don't have a problem with my continued expression (let's call that a "could care less" vote).

 

I appreciate your help on this, and giving me this feedback, and please trust that I'm sincere and not playing some warped game.  I also intend to follow through with my promise.  After all, if anyone wants my opinion on something, they can still email me.  But if nobody wants my opinion on anything, continued expression of opinions here would seem to be little more than selfish.

 

 

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AZSoccer, no need to take one for the team. All our clients have the option of requesting someone else.   

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Originally Posted by thoughtsoc

 I'm not sure what to say about the martyr complex thing.  I'm not sure one can really be a martyr at a soccer forum.  There are just clashing opinions, insults, and so on.  No real stones to throw or stakes to burn at. 

 

There is more than the Christian definition of the word Russ. 

 

Main Entry: 1mar·tyr
Pronunciation: 'mär-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Greek martyr-, martys witness
1 : a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion
2 : a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle
3 : VICTIM; especially : a great or constant sufferer martyr to asthma all his life -- A. J. Cronin>

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1 : a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion

 

Could that be, "a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a soccer model."  Still wouldn't fit, though.  When Scotsoc's hitmen knock at my door, I'll readily denounce the T3 and burn my remaining books.


2 : a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle

 

That could apply to me.  I've sacrificed my opportunity to join the Band of Brothers (though not life itself) for the sake of principle.  Since I meet this official definition of being a martyr, I can't be accused of having a "martyr complex" can I?  I guess you'll have to define "martyr complex" next.  Also, is there some official word for the people who do the honors when it comes to a martyr?  For example, the people who stoned St. Steven, or who burned Joan of Arc at the stake?

 


 

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CB, I accidentally left you off the committee.  No disrespect intended.  I've added you to the committee, which unfortunately makes eight and allows the possibility of a tie.  So, there is still room for a wild card committee member, to be announced later.  CVAL, there could still be hope for you there.  I'm leaning toward someone likely to cast a "get lost" vote.

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CB, I accidentally left you off the committee.  No disrespect intended.  I've added you to the committee, which unfortunately makes eight and allows the possibility of a tie.  So, there is still room for a wild card committee member, to be announced later.  CVAL, there could still be hope for you there.  I'm leaning toward someone likely to cast a "get lost" vote.

Do you play stupid on purpose Russ???   To anyone else, you would be one who suffers greatly for a cause or belief.  You might say you are one who is persecuted for what you believe.  Here is another definition for you to sleep on:

 

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source

per·se·cute (pûrs-kyt)  Pronunciation Key  Audio pronunciation of "persecuted" [P]
tr.v. per·se·cut·ed, per·se·cut·ing, per·se·cutes
  1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.

 

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Skimming thru this got me thinking about when Russ discovered where everyone had gone, and so I found this gem:

thoughtsoc said: (from December 2005)
> "....The old forum has truly gone down the drain, so I've been looking for a similarly abusive environment in which to peddle my preposterous coaching philosophies."

He apparently knew what he was getting into.

And BTW, he's taken time off before from this forum.

thoughtsoc said: (from May of 2006)
> "After giving it a bit of thought, I've decided that now is as good a time as any to say goodbye to the forum for a bit. I think my ego has been getting a bit too invested in my perception of what is true, to the point that the discussions haven't been a positive experience. I've got some other matters I need to focus on, so I'm going to try to rip myself away from the fray."

The title of the May 2006 thread is "Thoughtful Soccer on trial one last time". But only if it were true. He hasn't lived up to his own words from that thread:

> "So, once the post runs out, I'm planning to move on if the appreciation index doesn't rise a bit."

I think the appreciation index has reached new lows.
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Come back in a few months, Russ.


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